Curse

sun is in us · Feb 24, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by S E V E R

Role play... ever does it wipe clean the kitchen worktop of social dispute

Excellent. I hope you copywrite that one........

Although when you do it Evil-style......can set the kitchen on fire.....Bwhahahahahahaha.

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Anyone that needs to be paid to do his best to keep others alive as a monk needs to delete his monk, because he degrades a noble profession.

Self-righteous BS.

You choose how you like to prefer to play, and others will choose how they prefer to play: don't impose your self-righteous values on others.

Why should a monk who has beaten every mission put 100% effort each time he goes into THK? Why would he? Where's the incentive? He doesn't need the mission. Sure, he might heal a little and give a 50% effort that still puts Mhenlo to shame - but why bother giving 100%? Simply, without incentive, there's no need to give a 100% effort.

And from the class with the highest APM, monking at 100% effort is something that's pretty much reserved for: 1. Heroe's Ascent, 2. GvG, 3. PvE with guildies : anytime you play to win.

With a PuG - why bother giving 100%? There's no tangible incentive to play well. Especially since with a PuG, you can monk at the top of your game and still have people play like baboons. At least the 2k, 5k, 10k reward is a solid incentive.

Charging as a monk is fine - they're paying for your service as a quality monk.

Loviatar · Feb 24, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

Self-righteous BS.

Charging as a monk is fine - they're paying for your service as a quality monk.

the problem is that most of the time the elitest monk still does not perform at a top level even if paid but bearly does what is needed to scrape by and then complains he/she still isnt paid enough

in other words a shoddy monk for quality pay.

if that is how you enjoy playing a monk i sure am glad we never crossed paths in game.

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

Why should a monk who has beaten every mission put 100% effort each time he goes into THK? Why would he? Where's the incentive? He doesn't need the mission. Sure, he might heal a little and give a 50% effort that still puts Mhenlo to shame - but why bother giving 100%? Simply, without incentive, there's no need to give a 100% effort.

Then what the hell is the monk doing there in the first place if he's not going to give his all in a team effort? No incentive? Don't need it? No desire to help? Go away and let real monks restore the good name of the profession.

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

And from the class with the highest APM, monking at 100% effort is something that's pretty much reserved for: 1. Heroe's Ascent, 2. GvG, 3. PvE with guildies : anytime you play to win.

I always play to win.

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

With a PuG - why bother giving 100%? There's no tangible incentive to play well. Especially since with a PuG, you can monk at the top of your game and still have people play like baboons. At least the 2k, 5k, 10k reward is a solid incentive.

Charging as a monk is fine - they're paying for your service as a quality monk.

This, sir, speaks poorly on your quality of character as a monk. If you can't understand why, the more the pity for you.

So what if you've done the mission before and don't need it? Odds are, there are others in the party that haven't and do. They're going all out to win it, probably not their first attempt either. They also expect the same out of you as well. I've never had a PuG ask if I would go all out or at half speed. It's assumed I'll be 100%.

Dang, now it's more clear the problem people have with monks.

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

edit: for loviator

in your case, that monk isn't very good and wouldn't be one to get many customers.

If I paid 5k for a monk in THK - I'd expect that monk to heal like a champ.

I used to charge 7k for monking THK, leader pays at end of completion. That was months ago before I got into PvP. I still play THK for fun, to help players through: especially mesmers and rangers who need more love.

Regardless of how I play now (which isn't the discussion), I'm competely fine with the idea of other monks charging. I feel it's justified.

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edit: msecorksy

you seem to have confused the monk profession with some romantic noble carebear. behind the profession is still the same human player. If he wishes to charge for his services - that's fine by me.

also, you don't seem to understand WHY the monks are charging - because there is a general lack of monks in those specific areas. by your argument, if all the charging monks were to leave, then players would have an even harder time finding monks in those areas and would be limited to waiting for a monk or taking henchmen. at least having paid monks gives them that specific option to hire a healer. and I see nothing wrong with offering players more options. don't want to pay? you don't have to.

Mellia Darkstar · Feb 24, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

omg that is so sad id never buy such services, seems like a major scam anyways... you ppl are unhelpful

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

Regardless of how I play now (which isn't the discussion), I'm competely fine with the idea of other monks charging. I feel it's justified.

Then what should the warrior charge for his tanking abilities? Or the ele for the fire support? The Mesmer or Ranger for the damage preventing interrupts that make a monks life easier?

If a monk can charge for his services, then it's equally absurd for the other professions to do so as well.

LouAl · Feb 24, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

there is NOTHING wrong with it, unless you also think there is something wrong with peple running Elona's reach or MM's soloing Thirsty for money.

It is not something I would do personally, but I also run strangers for free just because I like to do it.

I ran a guy through the Passage through the Dark River a few days ago. I was getting flamed in the Henge for even offering, people said it was impossible. Oh well, it worked just fine. Still flaming me for a free run sounds pretty stupid...

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

The negatives of runners are the topic of another thread.

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

MSecorsky - do you understand that monks aren't nearly as common in high-lvl PvE as Tanks and Nukers?

Do you understand that? I'm seriously asking if you understand that.

MONKS AREN'T AS COMMON AS TANKS AND NUKERS.

that's why they are charging for their services.

teny10 · Feb 24, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Then what should the warrior charge for his tanking abilities? Or the ele for the fire support? The Mesmer or Ranger for the damage preventing interrupts that make a monks life easier?

If a monk can charge for his services, then it's equally absurd for the other professions to do so as well.

I agree with this to an extend. However, I don't see why ppl pay for runners and now cry about monks charging for their "service." They are both services, and I can't justify one without justify the other. With that said, I will not ever pay any monk to monk for me, nor will I charge anyone for monking.

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

MSecorsky - do you understand that monks aren't nearly as common in high-lvl PvE as Tanks and Nukers?

Do you understand that? I'm seriously asking if you understand that.

MONKS AREN'T AS COMMON AS TANKS AND NUKERS.

that's why they are charging for their services.

Commonality is irrelevant. Count the mesmers out there and what, pay them double?

If that's your best argument...

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

and yes, mesmers are the backbone of keeping your party alive </sarcasm>

if the demand for mesmers existed, i'm confident players would charge for mesmering.

it's all about supply and demand.

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

and yes, mesmers are the backbone of keeping your party alive </sarcasm>

if the demand for mesmers existed, i'm confident players would charge for mesmering.

it's all about supply and demand.

Absurd. I've seen a mesmer leave the monk boss in ... erm... what desert mission is that where you fight the increasing mobs... well, you know. Left the monk boss a quivering glob of goo. Talk about making a mission easy! Every profession is of import and every group member is equally important in keeping the group alive. Every bad guy shut down by a mez or ranger is saving me that much healing, letting me be more effective.

Burakus Lightwing · Feb 24, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

Why should a monk who has beaten every mission put 100% effort each time he goes into THK? Why would he? Where's the incentive? He doesn't need the mission. Sure, he might heal a little and give a 50% effort that still puts Mhenlo to shame - but why bother giving 100%? Simply, without incentive, there's no need to give a 100% effort.

Charging as a monk is fine - they're paying for your service as a quality monk.

No, it's not fine. If he needs incentive to play his role then he should find something better to do with his time...away from GW.

Mort · Feb 24, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Im gonna take my Mesmer and start charging to do missions!!! I wonder if there is any demand for that?

I see monks in THK offering to do the mission for insane amounts of platnum. in the 10k per person range. That is crazy. I dont know how they find 7 people dumb enough to pay for that!

Also, there is no guarentee that you will beat the mission or that the monk is any good.

Lina and Alesia are free!

It would be funny of one of those monks turned out to be smiting after someone paid them 10k

LouAl · Feb 24, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

and yes, mesmers are the backbone of keeping your party alive </sarcasm>

if the demand for mesmers existed, i'm confident players would charge for mesmering.

it's all about supply and demand.

your disdain for mesmers is well known, but they can easily be the backbone of the team.

back on topic
The demand is high for monks because people think that they must have at least 2 or the world will fall apart. If those morons want to pay for a monk, let them. If you are one of the players that are good enough to be a equally contributing member of a team, then you should have NO PROBLEMS AT ALL taking one the henchy monks (or both). If someone in your group thinks that is unacceptable, maybe you would be better off without them leeching heals and sinking the group.

BUT, like I said, I will not EVER charge for my monking.

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by LouAl

BUT, like I said, I will not EVER charge for my monking.

/tips hat

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

You're in THK, you see in all chat: "Monk for hire! 1K each person pay at end".

Now you've got 3 options: 1. hire the monk; 2. take henchman; 3. wait for another monk who's not charging.

Don't want to pay? You don't have to. You still have 2 other options that exist in absence of hired healers.

You're paying for a service. Simple as that. Obviously, the demand warrants the supply - otherwise the supply simply wouldn't exist.

MSecorsky · Feb 24, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Sinjin

You're in THK, you see in all chat: "Monk for hire! 1K each person pay at end".

Now you've got 3 options: 1. hire the monk; 2. take henchman; 3. wait for another monk who's not charging.

Don't want to pay? You don't have to. You still have 2 other options that exist in absence of hired healers.

You're paying for a service. Simple as that. Obviously, the demand warrants the supply - otherwise the supply simply wouldn't exist.

Please stop. This excessive floundering in an attempt to justify an unjustifiable position is beginning to get embarassing.

Option 4. Accept the monk, do the mission, don't pay him. Everyone in the group did their part as well. This could be considered justifiable, albeit dishonest.